Weeeeellllllll throughout the whole book there are references to drug usage and serious mental diseases.... The door mouse is drunk all the time, the Mad Hatter had mercury poisoning, the queen of hearts CLEARLY had anger issues, the white rabbit was on speed, the caterpillar is obviously smoking a hooka, Alice is on i think shrooms or something the equivilant of that, the March Hare is on ecstacy...I can't think of what the others are on, but my friends were the ones that told me all about that. Let's not forget, my friends, that Lewis Caroll was a pedophile (my teacher told me that he was in love with a six year old so I have the right to say this)

you people better check out how would Mia look like if that movie had been AMG's Alice movie right here

game film version derserved much more attention and now Burton's going to RUIN any hope of seeing our lovely game on the screens =( and his version is just miserable in comparison with AMG's Alice
i'm not amused by this project. i'm very very disappointed and i hope game sequel comes out first so it could draw more attention to the best Alice books sequel ever.

I like the fact that this is technically a sequel to the 1951 animated movie. That is why she looks older. She is supposed to be a 17 yr old. She runs away from a proposal and follows the rabbit, again, to Wonderland. The thing is, she doesn't remember that she went there. I think this movie will be huge, and if not a commercial success, it most likely be an instant cult classic.

Lewis Crroll most likely had temporal lobe epilepsy which can produce all kinds of interesting symtoms. Not drugs-seizures

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um this movie is not based off of any game and especially not of American McGee's Alice although there is a movie being made based on that game just not by Tim Burton
do your research before u make stupid statements

the one based off the game: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0466663/

Tim Burton's:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014759/

WOW!!!Stephen Fry is gonna be like the best cheshire puss evr!!!Soz, i am just in LOVE with stephen fry, shame he's a homosexual, otherwise i'd have him!!!But watevs, he probably wouldn't marry me anyway... :(

Film looks ace only just realised ive got the game that he based the film on.I hope he keeps the set and story the same as in the game, well you know, i mean like to a certain extent, cos like the mad hatter's meant to be evil in it and other weird stuff.Like the book too, just hope this will be as good as the nightmare before christmas...LOL!That will be impossible, nightmare just ROCKS!!!P.S. since when was alice ever like in her 20s or whatever...in the book she's meant to be like seven...

Colleen Atwood is the costume designer for this movie. Helena bonham carter plays the red queen/ queen of hearts. I'm sure this will be good! Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter are always awesome with all Tim Burton's movies, also Tim Burton and Colleen Atwood make a great team...magical! Can't wait to see this one!

Everyone seems to forget that Lewis Carrol is a pseudonym Charles Lutwidge Dodgson used when he wrote the book. Dodgson was not only an author but an Anglican Minister, mathematician, and logician. The rumors of drug use are entirely unfounded and there has been no evidence found to support it. Also the only readily available drug at this time was opium which only produces hallucinogenic effects in large doses. LSD was first synthesized in 1938 and its effects were not discovered till 1943, peyote had not been introduced in the UK in the 1800s.
Also the belief that Dodgson was a pedophile is based on missing pages from his extensive diary, his photography of nude children, and a falling out with the Liddel family. The missing diary pages are believed to relate to the falling out between Dodgson and the Liddel family which is attributed to his relationship with a woman named Lorina, which could be either Alice's older sister or her mother, which one is not identified. As for the photography, photos of nude children during the Victorian Era, were not seen as pornography but representation of innocence, many of the major photographers of the age produced them and they appeared in books, papers and even Christmas cards. The big thing people seem to forget is that we cannot view historical figures as if they are within today's society, we must view them within the context of their own time. So thusly, no he was not a pedophile nor a drug user. He was a well educated man with an amazing imagination, who combined the two to create an amazing piece of literary work.

all the alice books are my absolute favorite books ever. i also did my senior research project on them and lewis carroll. in the little amount of research i actually did, no where does it say anything about drugs people. the guy just had an awesome imagination, something you don't get to see much of today, unless it's blamed on drugs.

and i think it's great that tim burton is doing this film. every fairy tale has a darker version to it. it's about time someone did one of this fairy tale. so long as they don't screw it up too badly, what's it matter if it's a pleasantly confused story or if it's beyond twisted??

just chill out and wait for the film to come out and see it then. no point in judging something you havent even seen

There are several scandalous and libellous ill-informed comments on this site. Please don't start this notion (again) that Lewis Carroll and the two Alice books are drug related or drug induced. Its simply not true. There seems to be an increasing trend (particularly in America it seems to me) to make this suggestion, self-evidently, by ill-informed and ignorant people. I noticed recently that Mylie Cyrus made a rather rashly confident statement that Alice was all about drugs. Unless Ms Cyrus has some evidence or insight that has eluded 150 years of intense academic analysis of Carroll and his works, I think Ms "mass marketing" Montana and her like would do better to take a lesson in morality and humility from Lewis Carroll, a pious man that made little money from Looking Glass, pricing it as low as possible so as many children would be able to read it as possible, and giving away many free copies to homes and childrens' hospitals, etc.
Carroll's Alice books are beautiful, funny and imaginative, some of the characters are works of genius and the dialogue is sublimely witty, and rightly still considered a classic after 150 years.
I humbly recommend reading an annotated version (Martin Gardner's "The Annotated Alice" is excellent).
Also, there is no evidence that Charles Dodgson was a paedophile. Many of his child friends' reflections and memories are published and are usually fond memories or otherwise simply indifferent... there is not the remotest suggestion of anything sinister. I think these comments say much more about the commentators than Lewis Carroll.
On the hair-colour topic, it is the original Tenniel pictures in Carroll's books (where Alice is undoubtedly blonde) that made Alice a blonde. Carroll obviously had the "real Alice", Alice Liddell, in mind when he first told the story (Alice Liddell was brunette with shortish hair and a fringe) but never seems to have wanted to represent the physical appearance of Alice in the book as Alice Liddell. Before the story was published as "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", Carroll hand-wrote the story as "Alice's Adventures under Ground" as a gift to Alice Liddell and it has her photograph pasted onto the final page. This includes drawings by Carroll himself, but they are black and white and its not possible to conclusively determine Alice's hair colour, but note that her hair style (long) is not like Alice Liddell. When he was pursuaded to publish the story, he engaged Tenniel as the artist and collaborated closely. Carroll sent Tenniel a picture of a blonde girl called Mary Hilton Badcock to use as a model for Alice, but Tenniel did not work from models. Interestingly, Carroll criticised Tenniel for not using a model writing "Mr Tenniel is the only artist... who has resolutely refused to use a model...I venture that for want of a model, he drew several pictures of "Alice" entirely out of proportion - head decidedly too large and feet decidedly too small". At no point does he express dissatisfaction with Alice's blonde hair. So it pains me to say that Disney got
it right that Carroll's Alice was blonde.
And...the only boats in Carroll's Alice books are small row-boats. These scenes are presumably from some part of the script not based on the books.
I think Alice looks splendid in these pics and am eagerly anticipating seeing the film.

OMG im so excited!!! i love the cartoon version and the book!! im prepared for whatever angle tim is going to take on the flick (dark n twisted or not) and just know im going to love it!!! excellent casting 2

i read matt lucas (little britain) are the fat twins, helena bonham carter is the red queen and anne hathaway is the white queen

the next writer is a asshole

i am going in the cinema for watch this movie, but wheres johnny depp, thats suck

I hope that they trim the Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter scene down to ultimately nothing, then I might be persuaded to see the movie because the Alice girl is pretty

I'm assuming the ship is suppose to represent the poem in the end of Through the Looking Glass. "A boat beneath a sunny sky"

Just my guess.

to you who posted: "can someone tell me what's dark about the book? I think your all a bunch of goths and you want to be able to relate to it because its weird but sorry it's not dark xp It's ok though cos Tim Burton will make it dark I suppose"

have you ever really read the book or just watched the disney movie? if you read it as a child reread it. it is pretty fucked up and its great! lewis carroll a drug head and mathematican. can't go wrong with either.

I am thrilled to see this new venture for Tim. His brilliance exudes in all he does! I think this movie will be a visual orgasm indeed! thank you Tim!

I was quite amused and entertained by Lewis Caroll's book and I find the entire story quite unique. I have seen numerous adaptations of Alice in Wonderland and I am excited for the latest edition.

To the commenter that wrote:
Doesn't the girl who played Alice in the old movie have dark brown hair??? I think that was their worst mistake about choosing Mia Wasikowska although her looks kind of resemble Alice's character... I don't know... I'll have to see it when it comes out but I'm not sure if I'd go to the movies for it. I don't really get the boat... but then again her clothes don't really match the old movie... I think the best thing to do is just forget the old movie completely when watching this one!!

I have always pictured Alice (before watching any movie) with blonde hair. It's been a while since I've read the book but I suppose I may be wrong. With the casting (which, might I add, I am quite satisfied with) I hope this will be a brilliant movie.

can someone tell me what's dark about the book? I think your all a bunch of goths and you want to be able to relate to it because its weird but sorry it's not dark xp It's ok though cos Tim Burton will make it dark I suppose

I think the ship is there as part of the background. There's also some sort of prologues in this version in which there is another girl who is very mean to Alice, so Alice may get thrown overboard on that ship.

i think its about alice going back to wonderland so maby thats whats with the ship but thats wat i heared

OH.MY.GOTH! this movie is going to be the best thing that happened on earth!!!!! well...considering that all my friends call me Cheshire, I suppose its only natural. IM GOING CRAZY!!!! I cant wait! -falls over- If my dad was Tim Burton, I would be bousing off walls right now and begging to see the new actors. I love his movies! Ok...seriously...im going WACKO.

OMG!!!!!! This movie is going to be amay-zing! I loved Sweeney Todd and i can't wait to see what he does with this movie!

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I'm going to crap myself because of the excitement these photos make me feel. :)

Hey, to the person wanting to know what Johnny's gonna look like, he's gonna look awesome. Here's the link to a video on youtube that has a picture of him as the Mad Hatter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwDeggmq3lk

He looks AMAZING. =)

Well all i can say is that he will have a lot of trouble topping Jan Svankmajer. I dont think its even possible to top that, i have high hopes but its just hard to beat something so incredible.

After recently being introduced again to Alice and everything Alice related, due to being assistant director in an Alice in Wonderland play last year, playing American McGee's Alice, researching this movie as well as Lewis Caroll and everything about Alice, it has come to my attention to address some things:

1. Primarily, the book is what Tim Burton's new movie is based on, however, he has heard of American McGee's Alice and is adding some darkness from that. Again, the game was based on the book too and so is everything Alice related, so stop fighting.

2. We all know the characters after our own introductions to Alice in Wonderland. Now we know who's playing them. You may have different opinions on who is playing who, but face the facts, this is what we have, now we're gonna work with it. Don't cuss anyone out, sorry, but it's annoying. I am, however, glad that Lindsay Lohan is not in this movie.

3. You may want to do some research before you go see this movie. I am right now in the middle of Study Skills. Many of you, including me, don't know what the whole ship thing is about. Please look it up. I will too.

4. Yes, in the books and the game, Alice has brown hair. The Disney version did not and that has angered some people. Whatever. It's hair. The actress picked to play Alice in this movie has blonde hair and that's okay.

5. I have no idea whether Lewis Caroll did drugs or was a pedophile, but we still need to realize that in his time period there weren't quite so many restrictions on either one of those.

Doesn't the girl who played Alice in the old movie have dark brown hair??? I think that was their worst mistake about choosing Mia Wasikowska although her looks kind of resemble Alice's character... I don't know... I'll have to see it when it comes out but I'm not sure if I'd go to the movies for it. I don't really get the boat... but then again her clothes don't really match the old movie... I think the best thing to do is just forget the old movie completely when watching this one!!

This is going to be the best movie ever! The best part about Tim Burton is the way he adds the darkness into the movies. you have to appreciate his craft and imagination to understand it. I hope Danny Elfman is doing the music!!! Which I'm going to assume will most likey be the case. I personaly thought that the best part of his Charlie and The Chocolate Factory was when the factory opens up and all those dolls light on fire and Willy Wonka was a crazy wierdo. If you were locked up in some factory and was strange to begin with I would think that would be exactly that kinda of personality you would have. I love how all the background in his movies are chalky dark and have either chalky easter colors or those these vibrant colors it draws your eyes to what matters. It makes you understand the characters or the crucial things. I do not believe anyone will ever compare to him. Not sure if anyone saw Coraline but that movie is so great!

Lots of stuff to argue about, but I'm not really interested in stating my opinion. However, I would like to clarify that Mia Wasikowska was not the young the young girl in Sweeney Todd. That was Jayne Wisener, and they do not look particularly similar.

You TEASE! A year is way too long to wait.

looking forward to seeing this film...

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I'm absolutely ecstatic about this movie! Alice's Adventures in Wonderland has been my favorite book for years. I believe that Johnny Depp will make an amazing Mad Hatter.
I agree with Shadhe. Don't mess it up. Please.
I just hope it doesn't make me as angry as the Disney version does. They butchered it so much it almost hurts...

She's absolutely perfect as alice, if you've seen her as the young girl in Sweeney Todd you know what i'm talking about, she has the perfect innocence for this completely un-innocent story. hehe, i'm so excitedddddd=]=]=]!!!:D

ahh maann got to wait a another fricken year for it to come out , i could be dead by then, jessuusss, what takes so long...
i really love alice in wonderland i can remember when i used to watch it when i was about 7, and now i cant even find the tape it was on :( , it was like a real film not a cartoon, its soooo goood!!!!!!!! its like my 3rd fave filmm.
1, SID AND NANCY
2, THIRTEEN
3, ALICE IN WONDERLANDDD!!!!!
4, THIS IS ENGLAND
5, KIDS
CARNT REMEMBER ANY MOREEE

SZ4CAPSS

-heeks

Esta pelicula va ser lo mejor todo lo de tim burtons es exelente

Esta pelicula va ser lo mejor todo lo de tim burtons es exelente

Wow, those clothes are absolutely beautiful. I'm absolutely dying for her boots! I wonder if Alice is going to be more mature, yet again in the book she comes across as a stiff victorian child at points, so maybe this just means the physical is finally catching up with the mental.
I hope this movie is darker...the disney cartoon is sickeningly sweet, and the Alice game by American Mcgee is far too disturbing (anyone who's played it will tell you that, its messed up, even if it is interesting and awesome! lol).
I reckon Burton is going to produce his usual brilliance! a cute movie for kids with enough of an adult element for the big kids to like it too, and just like his other movies i expect he will make the upmost effort to bring a new take to the Alice in Wonderland story.
I'd love to see how they're doing Johnny up as the Hatter, anyone have any idea where i can find pics?

AAAH I'm so excited.

if tim burton makes it any way like charlie and the chocolate factory...then i personally don't think it will be that great. i loooovvveee alice in wonderland (original movie and book) and i really hope he makes it just as good as most of the movies he has done in the past. i like the fact that he stuck to most of the crew from sweeny todd. good choice in cast...most defintely.

He was a pedophile, their are facts proving this, and he took nude photos of a little girl named Alice Liddel, the girl he proposed to twice, once when she was nearly 11, and then again after writing both books when she was 17 (she denied him both times). And you cannot say the nude photos were simply him being a wonderful photographer and had nothing to do with him being a pedophile, since the photos did in fact have Alice, well, you have to see them, but when you do it's obvious of their nature. Any yes, god damn it I've done my research, since I enjoy reading books on the Victorian age and what do you know? They mention him! Which they should since he is an amazing author! And just because he was attracted to an 11 year old does not make his books any less great, so why the fuck does it matter? It's not like he raped Alice, he was quite a gentlemen if you ask me! And if you want to know where I got my information, just ask and I'll give you the name of the book I'm reading!

It's probably likely Lewis never did drugs (you cn ever know for sure the lives of dead people right?) or at least did very little (not all our drugs were illigal back then. Since it's never really mentioned he did halucanating drugs in letters or diaries or anything. It's actually more likly he suffered from whats now called 'Alice in Wonderland Syndrome" which causes hallucinations and feeling like your body has changed size. It's thought to be caused by severe migrains, which he did have.

It is actually assumed by scholars that Lewis waas 'courting' Alice's older sister and her governess (who some think are actually the same people) not her. That supposedly caused the fall out between Alice and Lweis.

The older Alice is actually supposed to be like that, because in the movie Alice is returning to Wonderland. I think the movie is based on both the books and video game, just from what i've read everywhere.

I'm not sure if this has been said yet, my eyes started to hurt after the first page of comments 0_o. I'm not sure why everyones getting so angry and swearing, if you don't agree with someone you can just say it but eh, i guess i do that to.

I love Alice based movies so i'm pretty excited about this. You can't actually ruin a classic no matter what that's why it's a classic.

i think timothy spall should play mad hatter.

i dont think she should play alice shes too old like granny two shoes nah but she is to old she was younger in the original and what now shes 20 going on 80
as for the costume it looks like its been sicked up by madonna then ate again two girls one cup styleee but yeh the costume looks to old for a supposed to be young girl

x

Ooh, physically, Mia looks very good as Alice. I haven't seen any of her films but if they cast her in a TB movie, she's probably good. I'm very excited to see Johnny as the Mad Hatter. He'd be perfect for the part, haha. I'm guessing the movie'll be more like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory than Sleepy Hollow or other darker movies Tim's done. I can't wait to see what Wonderland'll look like :] does anyone know the rating of the movie yet?